DPF Emulator

BigG

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Has anyone used the DPF emulator, if so does it work also will it need any type of software to reprogram the system.
You can not do it. The ONLY place to do that is a dealer. And no dealer is going to brake the law to help you.
 
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Roadworthy

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It appears the device you found it made in Turkey. You may find one for your specific Kubota but due to EPA regulations for Tier 4 emissions it would not be legal to use in this country. Of course you may never get caught but if you do the penalties can be severe.
 

GreensvilleJay

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As others have said, NOT legal to use, requires you to remove DPF and anyone that programs CANbus can reprogram the computer.
 

lugbolt

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The website linked above is in TURKEY

Do you really want to try to import from Turkey? Particularly, if you are in the usa, you will then have customs to deal with. IF customs finds out that you have a device that defeats emissions equipment, you might have some interesting things happen.

So what do I mean by interesting??

In 2009 the place I worked for had a sales tax audit. Big deal happens all the time to a lot of businesses. Audit went fine and there were zero issues. Took them 4 months to review each and every statement over the prior 12 month period. 2010 went by no isues with another audit (they are usually once a year). 11 came, end of january. Boss's accountant called and said your accounts are frozen. What? Boss was gone, so I told him on his cellphone. They cut the vacation short after a discussion with the bank. week later the IRS shows up, armed with automatic weapons (notice I didn't say semiautomatic--because as I was staring down the barrel of an M4 while laying under a tractor holding an oil pan up to start a bolt, I noticed the select-fire option). I had nothing to do with anything, but it didn't matter since I just worked there. Myself and 11 of my coworkers held at gunpoint execution style. For 5 hours we did not know who these people were. Dark blue SUV's all the same with out of state tags, blocking the entrances and exits. A couple of us had to go pee. Well when we had to go to the bathroom we were accompanied by an agent, IN the bathroom with you. Ladies included. They did not, for 5 hours give or take, identify themselves, it was only after all the questions were answered that they told us that they were the IRS police (yes the irs has their own enforcement division). I had asked several times who they were and at least twice one or more of the agents said "you shut up and we ask the questions". So I excercised my right to remain silent. Nope. They didn't read us any rights, thus we had all the rights we normally have including the right to leave. But no, we would've had to go through armed agents who were blocking the locked doors. The raid was 100% illegal but the attorneys were all in agreement, that the law doesn't apply to the law. The IRS (and a number of other government agencies) are "above" the law. Nothing happened beyond individual and group questions. For those 5 or so hours, nobody left. Nobody came. They put devices on all of the phone lines. Confiscated cellphones, knives, and CC weapons which most of us had. Internet lines had devices put on them as well. I watched them in the reflection of the window putting different devices on the work pc's and lines and phones, no way to call out, no way to call in, no way to use internet, they had us held up in chairs, again execution style, along the front window facing away from traffic and they were all behind us so we couldn't see them. THere was a big mirror on a support pole and I could see what they were doing in the mirror combined with reflection from the windows behind us. The whole deal STUCK in my brain and I still to this day have some nightmares, keeping in mind it was 10 years ago+. I wish there were some recourse. Attorneys say there really isn't, as they are immune to certain things.

Now, my experience tells us that the US government (particularly when led by a certain group), cares not about the rights of the people. Keeping in mind my experience with irs agents, remember that the epa is also a US government run agency and carries the same powers if not more in some ways. And with all that said, there is one question. Do you really want to tease a rattlesnake?

The epa has actively been looking closely at posts like this and there may very well be agents on this site that are watching. Who knows?

Notice I can't speak for the canuck's, I don't live there.

But I do know that CARB is either in the process of legislating, or has already enacted legislation which reduces the already really strict emissions regulations by about 50% or so. With that said, I would imagine that the fed will also adopt these standards for diesels. With current technology it simply cannot be accomplished, thus the end of the diesel engine is near unless there is a way to meet those standards without significant increases in costs to operate. Hence, I said about 5 years or so ago, it's time to consider gasoline burning tractors again.
 

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The website linked above is in TURKEY

Do you really want to try to import from Turkey? Particularly, if you are in the usa, you will then have customs to deal with. IF customs finds out that you have a device that defeats emissions equipment, you might have some interesting things happen.

So what do I mean by interesting??

In 2009 the place I worked for had a sales tax audit. Big deal happens all the time to a lot of businesses. Audit went fine and there were zero issues. Took them 4 months to review each and every statement over the prior 12 month period. 2010 went by no isues with another audit (they are usually once a year). 11 came, end of january. Boss's accountant called and said your accounts are frozen. What? Boss was gone, so I told him on his cellphone. They cut the vacation short after a discussion with the bank. week later the IRS shows up, armed with automatic weapons (notice I didn't say semiautomatic--because as I was staring down the barrel of an M4 while laying under a tractor holding an oil pan up to start a bolt, I noticed the select-fire option). I had nothing to do with anything, but it didn't matter since I just worked there. Myself and 11 of my coworkers held at gunpoint execution style. For 5 hours we did not know who these people were. Dark blue SUV's all the same with out of state tags, blocking the entrances and exits. A couple of us had to go pee. Well when we had to go to the bathroom we were accompanied by an agent, IN the bathroom with you. Ladies included. They did not, for 5 hours give or take, identify themselves, it was only after all the questions were answered that they told us that they were the IRS police (yes the irs has their own enforcement division). I had asked several times who they were and at least twice one or more of the agents said "you shut up and we ask the questions". So I excercised my right to remain silent. Nope. They didn't read us any rights, thus we had all the rights we normally have including the right to leave. But no, we would've had to go through armed agents who were blocking the locked doors. The raid was 100% illegal but the attorneys were all in agreement, that the law doesn't apply to the law. The IRS (and a number of other government agencies) are "above" the law. Nothing happened beyond individual and group questions. For those 5 or so hours, nobody left. Nobody came. They put devices on all of the phone lines. Confiscated cellphones, knives, and CC weapons which most of us had. Internet lines had devices put on them as well. I watched them in the reflection of the window putting different devices on the work pc's and lines and phones, no way to call out, no way to call in, no way to use internet, they had us held up in chairs, again execution style, along the front window facing away from traffic and they were all behind us so we couldn't see them. THere was a big mirror on a support pole and I could see what they were doing in the mirror combined with reflection from the windows behind us. The whole deal STUCK in my brain and I still to this day have some nightmares, keeping in mind it was 10 years ago+. I wish there were some recourse. Attorneys say there really isn't, as they are immune to certain things.

Now, my experience tells us that the US government (particularly when led by a certain group), cares not about the rights of the people. Keeping in mind my experience with irs agents, remember that the epa is also a US government run agency and carries the same powers if not more in some ways. And with all that said, there is one question. Do you really want to tease a rattlesnake?

The epa has actively been looking closely at posts like this and there may very well be agents on this site that are watching. Who knows?

Notice I can't speak for the canuck's, I don't live there.

But I do know that CARB is either in the process of legislating, or has already enacted legislation which reduces the already really strict emissions regulations by about 50% or so. With that said, I would imagine that the fed will also adopt these standards for diesels. With current technology it simply cannot be accomplished, thus the end of the diesel engine is near unless there is a way to meet those standards without significant increases in costs to operate. Hence, I said about 5 years or so ago, it's time to consider gasoline burning tractors again.
Bingo, and well said.

I too believe that current regulations are destroying certain diesel engine markets, which is likely the real goal.

I also believe that such regulation is creating a market for gasoline powered equipment including tractors.

That said, manufacturers are hesitant to invest in engineering and development because any such investment can be rendered useless by yet another pen stroke of some unelected bureaucrat who has probably never seen a tractor.

Anyone wonder why so much innovation is no longer being done in the US?

SDT
 
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GeoHorn

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IRS does not collect “sales tax” nor do they enforce state sales tax laws or carry automatic weapons.

I used to work for the state of Texas in the Office of the Comptroller…who DOES enforce sales tax laws. If you have the IRS curious about your operations they do NOT show up armed and hold anyone hostage. They send you a letter. They send you another letter. They send you a CERTIFIED Letter requiring signature. Then they seize your bank account …and THAT will always get them the response from you that you should have given them upon receipt of the FIRST letter.

The STATE tax authorities do not hold to the same rules as the Federal Internal Revenue Service does. The STATE behaves very differently. I know because I participated in such “raids”.
You do not want to pizz off the STATE with Sales Tax fraud. Here’s how the STATE works: (an actual event in west Houston): It was a very successful carpet retailer. He had not submitted sales tax for over a year. We waited in the parking lot until five minutes before closing….and then our agent, behaving as if he were a “customer” entered the store and began walking around the show-room examining rolls of carpet. At exactly 6 PM when the store owner asks if he can Help the ”customer” because it’s “closing time” and all the other genuine customers have been escorted out the door…. our agent displays his Identification (Enforcement Officer Badge) …which triggers the rest of us observing from the parking lot to ALL enter the bldg. There are NO GUNS drawn. We ALL walk in calmly, announce our identity… and sieze the cash register, all receipts and books, and place STATE locks on the doors seizing all merchandise and Escort the owner downtown. Our auditors take the books. The owner is allowed to call his attorney.

IRS does NOT barge into businesses with guns drawn. (DOJ might, but that’s FBI and likely involves a criminal charge…Customs might but that likely involves counterfeit goods or drugs….not a ”sales tax” delinquency.) The IRS will send polite letters over and over and over. IRS gives PLENTY of fairly polite warning they wish to visit with you. You can jack with IRS a LONG time before IRS does anything like sieze a bank account.

But you do NOT want to Pizz-Off a State Comptroller. The STATE does NOT have to abide by Federal policies. We had our own. We barged in and TOOK EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE OWNER and his books, cash-register, merchandise and he was OUT of business!
 
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hagrid

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The website linked above is in TURKEY

Do you really want to try to import from Turkey? Particularly, if you are in the usa, you will then have customs to deal with. IF customs finds out that you have a device that defeats emissions equipment, you might have some interesting things happen.

So what do I mean by interesting??

In 2009 the place I worked for had a sales tax audit. Big deal happens all the time to a lot of businesses. Audit went fine and there were zero issues. Took them 4 months to review each and every statement over the prior 12 month period. 2010 went by no isues with another audit (they are usually once a year). 11 came, end of january. Boss's accountant called and said your accounts are frozen. What? Boss was gone, so I told him on his cellphone. They cut the vacation short after a discussion with the bank. week later the IRS shows up, armed with automatic weapons (notice I didn't say semiautomatic--because as I was staring down the barrel of an M4 while laying under a tractor holding an oil pan up to start a bolt, I noticed the select-fire option). I had nothing to do with anything, but it didn't matter since I just worked there. Myself and 11 of my coworkers held at gunpoint execution style. For 5 hours we did not know who these people were. Dark blue SUV's all the same with out of state tags, blocking the entrances and exits. A couple of us had to go pee. Well when we had to go to the bathroom we were accompanied by an agent, IN the bathroom with you. Ladies included. They did not, for 5 hours give or take, identify themselves, it was only after all the questions were answered that they told us that they were the IRS police (yes the irs has their own enforcement division). I had asked several times who they were and at least twice one or more of the agents said "you shut up and we ask the questions". So I excercised my right to remain silent. Nope. They didn't read us any rights, thus we had all the rights we normally have including the right to leave. But no, we would've had to go through armed agents who were blocking the locked doors. The raid was 100% illegal but the attorneys were all in agreement, that the law doesn't apply to the law. The IRS (and a number of other government agencies) are "above" the law. Nothing happened beyond individual and group questions. For those 5 or so hours, nobody left. Nobody came. They put devices on all of the phone lines. Confiscated cellphones, knives, and CC weapons which most of us had. Internet lines had devices put on them as well. I watched them in the reflection of the window putting different devices on the work pc's and lines and phones, no way to call out, no way to call in, no way to use internet, they had us held up in chairs, again execution style, along the front window facing away from traffic and they were all behind us so we couldn't see them. THere was a big mirror on a support pole and I could see what they were doing in the mirror combined with reflection from the windows behind us. The whole deal STUCK in my brain and I still to this day have some nightmares, keeping in mind it was 10 years ago+. I wish there were some recourse. Attorneys say there really isn't, as they are immune to certain things.

Now, my experience tells us that the US government (particularly when led by a certain group), cares not about the rights of the people. Keeping in mind my experience with irs agents, remember that the epa is also a US government run agency and carries the same powers if not more in some ways. And with all that said, there is one question. Do you really want to tease a rattlesnake?

The epa has actively been looking closely at posts like this and there may very well be agents on this site that are watching. Who knows?

Notice I can't speak for the canuck's, I don't live there.

But I do know that CARB is either in the process of legislating, or has already enacted legislation which reduces the already really strict emissions regulations by about 50% or so. With that said, I would imagine that the fed will also adopt these standards for diesels. With current technology it simply cannot be accomplished, thus the end of the diesel engine is near unless there is a way to meet those standards without significant increases in costs to operate. Hence, I said about 5 years or so ago, it's time to consider gasoline burning tractors again.
I'm hearing that it couldn't have been the IRS.