BX1500 no crank, video

[joesmith123]

BX1500 no crank, fuel pump on/battery fine

Notable detail: last time I had it on, I took the key out, it was still running...

Tried to choke both air inputs to shut her down, didnt work, but then it sputtered off

Wiring/electrical/key/something issue, my guess

Beginning of video: I showed that I put a wire nut on the seat safety feature, and showed that it was in neutral

advice appreciated, someone maybe tell me how to rig up the manual cranking and bypass all the safety, but also tell me how to shut her down, I can put switches in those areas...

 

[jaxs]

After calming down and shedding your frustration Joe you should edit what you wrote,parts of it aren't coherent. That might be why you haven't got more replies. Before I tell you how to start engine by circumventing safety devices I must warn you that it's dangerous and doing it while in a bad state of mind only increases odds of injury or death for you and bystanders. If you can't keep a cool head in the event it fails just don't try it and call in some assistance. First things first. You've presented two problems,one is trouble in stopping engine followed by some make it up as you go messing with things trying to stop it. Secound problem is that it now doesn't crank over. The ONLY thing electrical related to killing engine is an electric solenoid (magnet) that pulls a leaver when key is turned to off. Unfortunately there's a fidigitbit relay/timer in the circuit for reasons unknown to me. Go to pictures in your wsm to find injection pump and related kill lever on it. Determin from pictures if lever foward or lever back is run position and manually put it fully in run position. Make certain transmission is in neutral and securly tie clutch in fully depressed position. Other than turning key to glow plug position at proper time there's need not and should not fiddle with any other controls or switches while attempting to crank. Locate two large bolts on starter solinoid (one has + battery cable on it). Turn key to glow plugs and after waiting normal time for them to warm,short two bolts togeather with a junk screwdriver. A few sparks will fly and engine begin turning over. Pull screwdriver away soon as engine begins to run. Now that you have started it,walk around and move lever on pump to kill it. Stay calm and good luck.

 

[joesmith123]

Go to pictures in your wsm to find injection pump and related kill lever on it. Determin from pictures if lever foward or lever back is run position and manually put it fully in run position. Make certain transmission is in neutral and securly tie clutch in fully depressed position. Other than turning key to glow plug position at proper time there's need not and should not fiddle with any other controls or switches while attempting to crank. Locate two large bolts on starter solinoid (one has + battery cable on it). Turn key to glow plugs and after waiting normal time for them to warm,short two bolts togeather with a junk screwdriver. A few sparks will fly and engine begin turning over. Pull screwdriver away soon as engine begins to run. Now that you have started it,walk around and move lever on pump to kill it. Stay calm and good luck.

Yes, this is perfect, I'll try to find the lever on the injection pump to turn machine on / off

And,

I will I will locate the two large bolts on the solonoid and short them with a screwdriver or other contraption

 

[jaxs]

Your tractor is later model than I've been around so it's possible Kubota has made the kill lever less visible or installed "new & improved" engine kill feature to replace lever that has worked for decades. In that event stand where you can see pump as you turn ignition switch on and off NOT TO START POSITION. You should hear and see movement that gives you clue how pump is turned on and off. To help you approach problems related to difficulty getting engine to run even though starter turns it over at normal speed or kill it once it is running. In it's basic form a diesel doesn't need electric power to run. For that matter if tractor has gear transmission it can do fine without a battery if you push/pull start down a hill or with another tractor. Why then does my tractor have all these wires and switches you might ask? Three reasons,#1 to operate lights,air conditioning,cd player,cigarette lighter,little ding ding warnings,a host of other dealer options. #2 To operate multiple safety dodads which allow greenhorns and idiots to operate tractor without killing themselves. #3 Glow plugs to allow it start easier and starter motor so you don't need your wife to push start it every time you want to mow and plow. There's actually a #4 & #5 but unlike 1-2-3 which can be proved to anyone by simply removing battery then demonstrating ,they could be debated from here to eternity and still not convince some folks. Keeping lawyers fat and generating parts sales and dealer labor.
Were it not for bottom feeding liability lawyers having this site in a corner, some members could give simple instructions for rewiring tractors to eliminate 90% of electrical complaints. Do I recommend rewiring tractors? NO, OTT would ban me from this site for promoting acts that expose them to liability. I do wonder if members hungering to improve troubleshooting skill would benefit from tutoring on multimeter use by those capable. More to that point is whether a few new members would hang around to be educated on multimeter instead of disappearing after 2 or 3 posts.
Every owner should be proactive in learning how to quickly stop their diesel engine in emergency because there's an event known as run-away where rpms go above red line until engine self destructs.

 

[joesmith123]

Your tractor is later model than I've been around so it's possible Kubota has made the kill lever less visible or installed "new & improved" engine kill feature to replace lever that has worked for decades. In that event stand where you can see pump as you turn ignition switch on and off NOT TO START POSITION. You should hear and see movement that gives you clue how pump is turned on and off. To help you approach problems related to difficulty getting engine to run even though starter turns it over at normal speed or kill it once it is running. In it's basic form a diesel doesn't need electric power to run. For that matter if tractor has gear transmission it can do fine without a battery if you push/pull start down a hill or with another tractor. Why then does my tractor have all these wires and switches you might ask? Three reasons,#1 to operate lights,air conditioning,cd player,cigarette lighter,little ding ding warnings,a host of other dealer options. #2 To operate multiple safety dodads which allow greenhorns and idiots to operate tractor without killing themselves. #3 Glow plugs to allow it start easier and starter motor so you don't need your wife to push start it every time you want to mow and plow. There's actually a #4 & #5 but unlike 1-2-3 which can be proved to anyone by simply removing battery then demonstrating ,they could be debated from here to eternity and still not convince some folks. Keeping lawyers fat and generating parts sales and dealer labor.
Were it not for bottom feeding liability lawyers having this site in a corner, some members could give simple instructions for rewiring tractors to eliminate 90% of electrical complaints. Do I recommend rewiring tractors? NO, OTT would ban me from this site for promoting acts that expose them to liability. I do wonder if members hungering to improve troubleshooting skill would benefit from tutoring on multimeter use by those capable. More to that point is whether a few new members would hang around to be educated on multimeter instead of disappearing after 2 or 3 posts.
Every owner should be proactive in learning how to quickly stop their diesel engine in emergency because there's an event known as run-away where rpms go above red line until engine self destructs.

I ended up making a connection wire, female on one end, connected that to the starter relay

Ran that wire close to the positive battery terminal, and zip tied it close by

Starts right up when I connect to positive terminal, all problem solved

Also, turns off when I turn the key off, that turned out to be a blown fuse issue

Woah, your response is amazing and describes our entire life in a nutshell

from what I am gathering, your statement is saying:

Kubota was forced to put in unreliable safety features due to lawyers, and that causes the machine to malfunction, causing the owner more headache, more spending, more down time

 

[jaxs]

I ended up making a connection wire, female on one end, connected that to the starter relay

Ran that wire close to the positive battery terminal, and zip tied it close by

Starts right up when I connect to positive terminal, all problem solved

Also, turns off when I turn the key off, that turned out to be a blown fuse issue

Woah, your response is amazing and describes our entire life in a nutshell

from what I am gathering, your statement is saying:

Kubota was forced to put in unreliable safety features due to lawyers, and that causes the machine to malfunction, causing the owner more headache, more spending, more down time

You did well. With the addition of a momentary switch/button spliced into your zip tied wire you'll basically have an old school start button like all tractors had for decades.
You pretty much understand my position on lawyers and safety devices. Anyone needing all those layers of protection while starting a tractor is probably at equal risk of killing themselves anyhow after it's running.

 

[joesmith123]

You did well. With the addition of a momentary switch/button spliced into your zip tied wire you'll basically have an old school start button like all tractors had for decades.
You pretty much understand my position on lawyers and safety devices. Anyone needing all those layers of protection while starting a tractor is probably at equal risk of killing themselves anyhow after it's running.

"momentary switch/button"
Yes I know exactly what you mean, it would be a switch that automatically springs off, I would spring it on to engage starter

"lawyers/safety devices"
Its very simple math, if they can legally make the consumer unable to diagnose their machines, they can force them to pay insane hourly fees at shop, plus the down time, plus the transportation inconvenience

Overall from what I am noticing, kubota does make it easy to circumvent and overcome the hurdles, it looks like they placed them there just to satify the legal obligation

They place the safety features knowing that eventually the owner will have to get rid of them to operate the machine

 

[jaxs]

"momentary switch/button"
Yes I know exactly what you mean, it would be a switch that automatically springs off, I would spring it on to engage starter

"lawyers/safety devices"
Its very simple math, if they can legally make the consumer unable to diagnose their machines, they can force them to pay insane hourly fees at shop, plus the down time, plus the transportation inconvenience

Overall from what I am noticing, kubota does make it easy to circumvent and overcome the hurdles, it looks like they placed them there just to satify the legal obligation

They place the safety features knowing that eventually the owner will have to get rid of them to operate the machine

Yes and the plot thickens as confused owners come to groups such as this looking for solutions. As well meaning members try walking owner through the process of locating the malfunction the unsuspecting owner is exposed to far more danger of tractor moving without warning. That can lead to lawsuits against members and site owners should the owner injure or kill himself. A classic example is so called safty lids/spouts on fuel cans. You are 10x more likely to spill or get fuel on your body using these spouts as compared to old style they replaced. What set the whole thing in motion was a kid being severely burned while pouring gasoline on a bonfire. When lawyers were finished Blitz can mfgr was bankrupt and other mfgrs were scrambling to design spouts their liability lawyers and insurance companies would approve. They haven't managed yet so mfgrs put insane prices on cans to afford high risk insurance and defense lawyers. Anywhoo I'm glad you can now use your tractor without wasting time getting it to run.