Lift Capacity

[Jchonline]

I had a customer in this week to pick up supplies and he was headed over to New Hampshire to pick up a new Kioti 25 HP tractor he had bought. I told him my only disappointment of my L3800 is the FEL has a lift capicity of 1000 lbs with the pallet forks and I had the dealer shim the hyd valve/pump for extra lift capicity. He said his new tractor 25 HP will lift 1800 lbs to the top of height it will reach. I thought BS but didn't tell him that. My thought was if the 25 HP would lift 1800 then a 38 HP would lift several hundred more. I haven't taking the time to check the Kioti specs but will.
I did have customer last year who owned a auto parts business. We were talking tractors as he saw mine parked near by , he said after doing research for lift capicity he finally bought a New Holland as the 38 hp would lift 2200 lbs. He claimed the arch of the FEL was part of what gave New Holland the most capicity in a 38 hp tractor.

Doesn’t matter what the FEL can lift it it tumps the machine over. Kubota tries to match loader lift capacity with a machine that has no ballast. Not saying I agree with that, but yes there are a number of other brands that have better lift capacity especially in smaller machines.

 

[The Evil Twin]

From my experiences it will depend on the range you're in; running about 2.2k RPM in mid-range I can start to feel the machine bog down and I'll back off, in low-range it'll lift it's own ass end up.

This is while breaking into large snow banks.

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So the HST range affects loader hydraulic pressure also? I can't recall if I was in M or L necessarily. I just know that with 300 lbs on the back of the box blade it would neither lift the rear or the front. The engine loads up but does not bog down. 2k rpm on the infotainment panel.

 

[tacticalturnip]

So the HST range affects loader hydraulic pressure also? I can't recall if I was in M or L necessarily. I just know that with 300 lbs on the back of the box blade it would neither lift the rear or the front. The engine loads up but does not bog down. 2k rpm on the infotainment panel.

The machine may have bogged down more to it coming to a standstill than the pressure applied to the loader, now that I think of it. I'm not knowledgeable enough with hydraulics to really give you any detailed answers, but I can't think of a time when having a load on my 3 point seemed to have a negative impact on my loader.

 

[jyoutz]

The CK2610 comes in about 2700 lbs without loader , R4 tires. Real close to the L2501. I tend to agree. I do not feel as if I would like more capacity than my L2501, loaded R4 tires and some rear ballast and LA525 loader is able to muster. I however do tend to be conservative when operating unlike a famous implement maker when testing his new designs to the limit! LOL.

For reference, my MX6000 as I have it set up is about 6000 pounds, and 2000 pounds in the loader feels heavy. I can’t imagine doing near that with a lighter machine.

 

[tacticalturnip]

For reference, my MX6000 as I have it set up is about 6000 pounds, and 2000 pounds in the loader feels heavy. I can’t imagine doing near that with a lighter machine.

You don't like playing f***-f*** games with physics?

 

[jyoutz]

You don't like playing f***-f*** games with physics?

Nope

 

[tacticalturnip]

Nope

I bet you're the type of guy that learns from the mistakes of others; I bet you read the owners manual too.

 

[jyoutz]

I bet you're the type of guy that learns from the mistakes of others; I bet you read the owners manual too.

Let’s just say that I’ve had a few near misses myself.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

So the HST range affects loader hydraulic pressure also? I can't recall if I was in M or L necessarily. I just know that with 300 lbs on the back of the box blade it would neither lift the rear or the front. The engine loads up but does not bog down. 2k rpm on the infotainment panel.

No HST Range or even operation does not effect hydraulic pressure or loader lift capacity.

 

[The Evil Twin]

No HST Range or even operation does not effect hydraulic pressure or loader lift capacity.

Ok, I didn't think so. But I'm still learning. I mean, I could see if I was driving into a pile of dirt at the same time as lifting (only X gallons per minute) but static lifting it just wouldn't do it.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Ok, I didn't think so. But I'm still learning. I mean, I could see if I was driving into a pile of dirt at the same time as lifting (only X gallons per minute) but static lifting it just wouldn't do it.

Even driving into a pile, as they are separate pump systems, so bogging down the HST only effects the Hydraulics if the HST pulls the engine RPM's down thus slowing the hydraulics flow.

 

[The Evil Twin]

Even driving into a pile, as they are separate pump systems, so bogging down the HST only effects the Hydraulics if the HST pulls the engine RPM's down thus slowing the hydraulics flow.

There I go learning. Lol. I didn't know it was 2 pumps. I know there are 2 filters but never followed a flow diagram. Just figured that the filtration requirements were different for each circuit.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

There I go learning. Lol. I didn't know it was 2 pumps. I know there are 2 filters but never followed a flow diagram. Just figured that the filtration requirements were different for each circuit.

Technically 4 pumps:
One for the steering and PTO control.
One for loader and three point.
One for HST prime.
One for HST operation.

Top two pumps are built into one housing.
Bottom two pumps are built into the HST unit.

 

[WFM]

I had a bundle of steel arrive this morning. I couldn't lift it off the struck, But with rpm's reving I was able to curl my forks and lift it and back up and lower it down. The invoice said 1030 lbs. I really love my tractor and live with the lift capicity.

 

[Iguide]

The CK2610 comes in about 2700 lbs without loader , R4 tires. Real close to the L2501. I tend to agree. I do not feel as if I would like more capacity than my L2501, loaded R4 tires and some rear ballast and LA525 loader is able to muster. I however do tend to be conservative when operating unlike a famous implement maker when testing his new designs to the limit! LOL.

What " famous implement maker " are you referring to? No offense intended but if you don't list them it is harder to take your statement with the seriousness you want to present it with. Just pointing that out.

 

[ken erickson]

What " famous implement maker " are you referring to? No offense intended but if you don't list them it is harder to take your statement with the seriousness you want to present it with. Just pointing that out.
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What " famous implement maker " are you referring to? No offense intended but if you don't list them it is harder to take your statement with the seriousness you want to present it with. Just pointing that out.

Sorry but it does not matter to me that I am being taken seriously or not in this instance.

That being said Ted from Everything attachment's was known for posting YouTube videos testing his products to the point of abuse, both for his implement and his tractor.

 

[mcmxi]

Sorry but it does not matter to me that I am being taken seriously or not in this instance.

That being said Ted from Everything attachment's was known for posting YouTube videos testing his products to the point of abuse, both for his implement and his tractor.

I always admired that about Ted and Everything Attachments. He broke things so that his customers wouldn't. No other company has done what he's done in terms of transparency in designing, testing and manufacturing implements. Catawba sells flagrant copies of EA implements, which is their right, if the EA designs aren't patented.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

It doesn't really matter is design IS patented. You can make small changes , 'tweaks', and get your own patent. Just look up patents on almost any type of mechanism.... electronics is real bad too.

 

[FTG-05]

One area often overlooked in the 'specs' is the front tire capacity !
The BX23S has tires rated for 700# each, so 1400# total, and that's IF you pump them up to max air pressure rating on the sidewall

Which is one of the reasons when I had to replace my front tires a couple years ago, I replaced them with Titan 8 ply tires. They are rated to 4,140 lbs per tire.

Titan - Tires - HD-2000-II (titan-intl.com)

 

[Daren Todd]

I had a customer in this week to pick up supplies and he was headed over to New Hampshire to pick up a new Kioti 25 HP tractor he had bought. I told him my only disappointment of my L3800 is the FEL has a lift capicity of 1000 lbs with the pallet forks and I had the dealer shim the hyd valve/pump for extra lift capicity. He said his new tractor 25 HP will lift 1800 lbs to the top of height it will reach. I thought BS but didn't tell him that. My thought was if the 25 HP would lift 1800 then a 38 HP would lift several hundred more. I haven't taking the time to check the Kioti specs but will.
I did have customer last year who owned a auto parts business. We were talking tractors as he saw mine parked near by , he said after doing research for lift capicity he finally bought a New Holland as the 38 hp would lift 2200 lbs. He claimed the arch of the FEL was part of what gave New Holland the most capicity in a 38 hp tractor.

My 25hp Massey has a 1000lb lift capacity. It drops with the pallet forks depending on how far out on the forks the lift is.