What is this on the head cover?

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Can you identify the small housing and tube/pipe that comes up and out from the head cover (see included images)? I have a B7200, non-HST, I recent got this and am trying to figure out why there's a black, plastic bottle being used as a receptacle from that housing + pipe/tube (and how concerned I should be). I have both the user manual and the chunky workshop service manual. The workshop service manual has basically everything about this model you could imagine EXCEPT a label for what I'm investigating.

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Crankcase breather. I would guess that the rings are well worn such that there is so much oil vapour dripping out the tube as to leave a trail, hence the bottle.

But that's just a guess -- what's in the bottle and how much?
 
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That's a PCV system on a stock model. Somebody has replaced it with a bottle to catch the oil. Not really a good thing.

If the engine is sound, it's not a big deal, as in, nothing to be concerned about. It's a mod some people do. I'm only familiar with it being done in an automobile context, but the principles are the same. Shouldn't hurt anything (but those better versed in tractors feel free to disagree!).

I'd do some research on why it's done and make your own decision about leaving it or restoring to factory.

If I ran into that on a used machine, I'd take a good look at my blowby. For me, I'd probably take it back to stock, but it wouldn't be a high priority project.
 
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I like the triple wrap baling wire keeping the radiator away from the fan.
I agree with torch. How's the exhaust? Blue smoke?
 
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Yes it is a crank case breather and normally the bottom end is open to the environment. It is obviously dripping oil out of the end of the tube. The bottle is there to catch the dripping oil and keep it off the floor or ground.

take it off and see what happens and decide if you want oil dripping or if you want to capture it in a can or bottle but the end of the tube needs to be above any oil in the container so make sure to empty it often enough to keep out of “trouble“ getting too much back pressure in the crank case.

and I think there should be some sort of metal filter in that little bump up on the cover
 
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Yes it is a crank case breather and normally the bottom end is open to the environment. It is obviously dripping oil out of the end of the tube. The bottle is there to catch the dripping oil and keep it off the floor or ground.

take it off and see what happens and decide if you want oil dripping or if you want to capture it in a can or bottle but the end of the tube needs to be above any oil in the container so make sure to empty it often enough to keep out of “trouble“ getting too much back pressure in the crank case.

and I think there should be some sort of metal filter in that little bump up on the cover
Thanks. While reading your response I thought of maybe replacing it with a clear bottle so I can monitor it better. But fundamentally I'm left wondering why is there even something like this in the first place? Where does this oil come from? Why doesn't it re-circulate with whatever lubricant system it's from? But knowing the name of this now is very helpful. Now I can start researching this. Thanks.
 

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Yes it is a crank case breather and normally the bottom end is open to the environment. It is obviously dripping oil out of the end of the tube. The bottle is there to catch the dripping oil and keep it off the floor or ground.

take it off and see what happens and decide if you want oil dripping or if you want to capture it in a can or bottle but the end of the tube needs to be above any oil in the container so make sure to empty it often enough to keep out of “trouble“ getting too much back pressure in the crank case.

and I think there should be some sort of metal filter in that little bump up on the cover
Also just found this. Does this seem right?
 

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You have some blowby going on. Half of a bottle is concerning unless it's over the course of 200 hours runtime.
 

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Also just found this. Does this seem right?
Yup.

The fill cap is clearly in place. There does not seem to be any evidence of leakage, suggesting the seal is OK. You could remove the rocker cover and verify that the breather element (together with the plates and shields -- see Kubota parts diagram for pictures) are intact and in place.

But if all that is ok, then I'd suspect rings. How many hours on the meter, and does it still work?

Hey, if the engine runs OK and doesn't smoke too much, then keep emptying the bottle for now.
 
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Yup.

The fill cap is clearly in place. There does not seem to be any evidence of leakage, suggesting the seal is OK. You could remove the rocker cover and verify that the breather element (together with the plates and shields -- see Kubota parts diagram for pictures) are intact and in place.

But if all that is ok, then I'd suspect rings. How many hours on the meter, and does it still work?

Hey, if the engine runs OK and doesn't smoke too much, then keep emptying the bottle for now.
Thanks torch. About 360 hours and it still is counting I think. Ok. The engine itself doesn't smoke at all. I want to see if I can do what you suggest and inspect the breather element.
 

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360 hours??? On a B7200??? And the hourmeter is working???

Wow.

I suspect the hourmeter is on it's second trip around, or it's been replaced or it's been repaired.

Either that or your rings are stuck from sitting unused for the last dozen years!

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If the engine runs smooth and doesn't smoke I'd empty out that bottle, check and top off the engine oil level as required and run the tractor, checking the engine oil dipstick frequently (every hour or two) until you establish a base line for consumption. Maybe the previous owner was just real picky about his garage floor and that 1/2 bottle of oil accumulated over the 360 hour life of the tractor.

It could happen. In theory.
 
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360 hours??? On a B7200??? And the hourmeter is working???

Wow.

I suspect the hourmeter is on it's second trip around, or it's been replaced or it's been repaired.

Either that or your rings are stuck from sitting unused for the last dozen years!

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If the engine runs smooth and doesn't smoke I'd empty out that bottle, check and top off the engine oil level as required and run the tractor, checking the engine oil dipstick frequently (every hour or two) until you establish a base line for consumption. Maybe the previous owner was just real picky about his garage floor and that 1/2 bottle of oil accumulated over the 360 hour life of the tractor.

It could happen. In theory.
The working and original hour meter on my B7200 has been around twice in the time I have owned it. It has significant blow by but it does not need a catch can.

Dan
 
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yeah, just a little blowby 'collection system'.
I use 1 1/2" ABS plumbing parts and a rad hose to 'redirect' the blowby on my diesel to the air intake. Got tired of the impossible task of removing the black drops off the concrete pavers.
 

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crankcase vent

back in the old days, it was common to see them on all kinds of engines. 18 wheelers often had them as well; although much bigger, when the engine was idling you could usually find the vent tube (aka road draft tube) venting a little steam. Every once in a while we'd get one at work that would dump a quart or two of oil out of the tube in the time it took to unload their loads.

When you get a lot of air coming out of it, and/or oil, that means that combustion gases are getting past the piston. That's almost always due to worn cylinders and/or rings. Keeping that in mind, I've seen worse on engines that had 20 hours on them. The key takeaway is this. How the engine is maintained dictates how worn it is. There's possibility that the engine has at some point inhaled a bunch of dirt, and/or may have been overheated. Both scenarios will often result in excessive blow-by.

The newer engines ARE "recirculated". That's nice because there is no longer any oil and vapors expelled outside the engine, BUT there are downsides. You can't see it, so you don't know if the engine has any blow-by. Also probably the worst part is that manufacturers vent it back into the intake manifold; and in doing so if there is excessive blowby the engine will ingest and burn those vapors--worse yet if the machine is rolled onto it's side or upside down, they'll run on their own oil, and you cannot shut it down until it finally decides to shut itself off, either runs out of oil or suffers mechanical failure or completely blocks the intake with oil such that air cannot be ingested--usually when that happens it will also fill cylinder(s) with oil and then once righted, the owner will try to crank it back up. Bent rods are almost guaranteed.
 

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crankcase vent

back in the old days, it was common to see them on all kinds of engines. 18 wheelers often had them as well; although much bigger, when the engine was idling you could usually find the vent tube (aka road draft tube) venting a little steam. Every once in a while we'd get one at work that would dump a quart or two of oil out of the tube in the time it took to unload their loads.

When you get a lot of air coming out of it, and/or oil, that means that combustion gases are getting past the piston. That's almost always due to worn cylinders and/or rings. Keeping that in mind, I've seen worse on engines that had 20 hours on them. The key takeaway is this. How the engine is maintained dictates how worn it is. There's possibility that the engine has at some point inhaled a bunch of dirt, and/or may have been overheated. Both scenarios will often result in excessive blow-by.

The newer engines ARE "recirculated". That's nice because there is no longer any oil and vapors expelled outside the engine, BUT there are downsides. You can't see it, so you don't know if the engine has any blow-by. Also probably the worst part is that manufacturers vent it back into the intake manifold; and in doing so if there is excessive blowby the engine will ingest and burn those vapors--worse yet if the machine is rolled onto it's side or upside down, they'll run on their own oil, and you cannot shut it down until it finally decides to shut itself off, either runs out of oil or suffers mechanical failure or completely blocks the intake with oil such that air cannot be ingested--usually when that happens it will also fill cylinder(s) with oil and then once righted, the owner will try to crank it back up. Bent rods are almost guaranteed.
Thanks for the background lugbolt! Much more context around this. I was really wondering why they didn't re-circulate. It sounds like it's evolved to re-circulate in newer engines but not without it's drawbacks.

"When you get a lot of air coming out of it, and/or oil, that means that combustion gases are getting past the piston." This was very helpful
 

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re: vent it back into the intake manifold; and in doing so if there is excessive blowby the engine will ingest and burn those vapors-

FWIW....I've done this for 15+ years, nothing bad so far. BUDA BD-153. Yeah, to cure the blowby I KNOW it needs rings..but WHICH set ? Engine came with either 3 or 4 ring sets !
 

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The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If the engine runs smooth and doesn't smoke I'd empty out that bottle, check and top off the engine oil level as required and run the tractor, checking the engine oil dipstick frequently (every hour or two) until you establish a base line for consumption. Maybe the previous owner was just real picky about his garage floor and that 1/2 bottle of oil accumulated over the 360 hour life of the tractor.

It could happen. In theory.
Somebody that knows the proper expression! Sorry, but "the proof is in the pudding" is a pet peeve of mine. I check all my puddings and I have yet to find proof in any of them. Sorry for the side track... now back to our regularly scheduled discussion.