Reversing R4 tires?

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I finally got off my lazy butt and am in the process of grooving my R4's. Naturally, I checked you tube university. One video I saw had a comment suggesting reversing tires, so just swapping sides. Any thoughts on this? I am looking for all the traction I can get in winter on my very steep drive. It got me thinking, would this help? Or maybe break something. Thanks!!
 

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I would not think reversing them will help - cutting grooves will ONLY help in the snow, mud etc.
The extra grooves help with the contact patch to have more places to push stuff for traction. Another thing to consider too - the more rubber you remove the faster the rest will wear.

You will not hurt anything by doing this btw
 
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Reversing tires will get you one result, 🤔 , Laughed at! :ROFLMAO:

It won't help traction one bit.
If it did all tires would be designed with reverse thread.

Grove them, and if that doesn't work put chains on them.
 

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Reversing tires will get you one result, 🤔 , Laughed at! :ROFLMAO:

It won't help traction one bit.
If it did all tires would be designed with reverse thread.

Grove them, and if that doesn't work put chains on them.
I cannot use chains, asphalt drive. How do you know it wouldn't work? That is my question. Have you tried it? Been laughed at before, least of my worries.
 

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I cannot use chains, asphalt drive. How do you know it wouldn't work? That is my question. Have you tried it? Been laughed at before, least of my worries.

For years I often wondered the same thing - on AG tires - the triangle pushes the soil away from the center much like a plow does - in reverse the soil is pushed to the middle. The grip is much better by the tire push it away and the tire "digging in" to the soil.

But for what it is worth - it only takes a bit of time to switch them out and the same amount of time to put them back!!!
 
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I cannot use chains, asphalt drive. How do you know it wouldn't work? That is my question. Have you tried it? Been laughed at before, least of my worries.
I've been operating equipment for many a year and yea I've had a tractor or 2 that has had the tires put on in reverse, and yes the traction is less.

Wanna try a quick simple test, if your slipping and sliding in forward, try the same spot in reverse.
Tell me how that works for you?
 
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Reversing tires will get you one result, 🤔 , Laughed at! :ROFLMAO:

It won't help traction one bit.
If it did all tires would be designed with reverse thread.

Grove them, and if that doesn't work put chains on them.
Not true on reverse them. Reversing tires will help backing up. Used to be years ago, owners manuals for tractors with MFWD and being used for loader work, it was recommended turning the front tires around to aid in backing up in muddy conditions.
 
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...the triangle pushes the soil away from the center much like a plow does - in reverse the soil is pushed to the middle. The grip is much better by the tire push it away and the tire "digging in" to the soil....
Exactly right. If the tires are not spinning it is not an issue, if they do spin the V pushes mud/sand/other out from under the tire so it hopefully bites into solid ground. If the V is reversed the mud/sand/other is pushed under the tire and works much like grease does to lubricate a slide.

With snow there may be ice underneath, in that case things are different and lawn tires might have more contact and therefore more grip on ice, but that depends on the snow being cleared off first (which lawn tires slip on as they don't tend to push show out of the way). Chains work great to put pressure on ice melting it much like ice skates, the European "diamond pattern" especially as they have a more continuous pattern and don't hit pavement like ladder chains. I have concrete and don't want to damage the surface either, so driving slowly with minimal weight helps.

You might also consider rounded (not pointed) studs. The additional pressure will melt the ice without damaging asphalt, though that's a balancing act and the tires have to be inflated "only as much as necessary for good traction" in your particular situation.

Disclaimer: I'm no expert, and every situation is different so you need to decide what's best in your situation.
 
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interestingly on my front tires there are directional indicators for driven vs. non driven rotation direction.




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Not true on reverse them. Reversing tires will help backing up. Used to be years ago, owners manuals for tractors with MFWD and being used for loader work, it was recommended turning the front tires around to aid in backing up in muddy conditions.
You misunderstood what I said to do.
Don't reverse the tires just reverse the tractor and try it.

Because yes if you reverse the tire and go in reverse then you will have better traction.
 
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Many years ago, shortly after college, I was working as an insurance adjuster after a hurricane. At the time, local agents often rode with us. Agent and I were inspecting a farmer’s property that didn’t have major damage anywhere but had minor damage on numerous buildings. We ended at the main machine shed/shop. When we first walked inside, I couldn’t help but notice an older 2WD open station Long tractor, no loader, that looked to be around 100HP with the rear tires backward. I wondered what in the world the farmer used it for being it had a standard 3 point hitch and drawbar, but it wasn’t relevant to the business at hand so I didn’t ask.

It was so long ago, we hand wrote estimates and checks. The farmer preferred to wait while I wrote it all up on the spot (which I also much preferred). After we agreed on the scope, I sat at one of the workbenches writing it up while the farmer and agent, who clearly had known each other for many years, talked.

Farmer was telling the agent he’d recently bought the Long from the estate of a neighbor who passed away. Ran great. Had about 100 minor leaks but it was a Long so that was expected. He was really disappointed with how it pulled. If his dog pissed in front of the shed on a dry day, that Long would get stuck in the wet gravel pulling an empty grain cart. Tires were filled and weren’t worn out. Just didn’t know why it would t pull. First Long he’d owned. Apparently they were bad tractors and he was going to have to dump it at an auction since he couldn’t sell such a POS to a local.

Eventually I couldn’t stand it any more, so I stopped writing and asked him what he used the tractor for. He said, well I hope you know more about buildings than you do about tractors. Tractors pull things: grain carts, disc harrows, plows, all manner of stuff. Told him from what I overheard, that one didn’t pull worth much. He said it didn’t. Told him I bet it pulled like a champ in reverse. He thought for a few seconds and said come to think of it, it did seem to do better in reverse. Told him that’s because the rear tires are backward. He asked if I was trying to insult him. Told him if he didn’t believe me just compare it to the other dozen tractors in the building. Then went back to my writing.

There was dead silence behind me for at least a full minute (which is a long time when you count it out). Agent busted out in a belly laugh. When he was able to pull himself together enough to talk, he asked the farmer after over 50 years of farming you were really about to send that Long to auction and take a loss on it because the tires are backward and you never noticed. Farmer said @&$, now I’ve got to get the tire man out here to pull the tires and remount them in the right direction. Without turning around, asked him with all the various lifts and cranes around his shop why he wouldn’t just swap the rear wheels. He pondered on that one for a good five minutes. Finally said it had been a long time since felt as stupid as he did right then. Swore us both to secrecy. I’ve long forgotten his name, and if he was still alive he’d probably be about 120 by now so I doubt he cares now.

Anyway, R1’s, R4’s, or any other directional tires pull better in one direction than they do in the other direction. If you need the machine to pull better in reverse but not forward, maybe consider turning the fronts around but know you’ll be sacrificing some forward traction. If you turn all of them backward, yes you should expect folks to ask why you did that and if your answer is to get better forward traction, you should expect them to laugh at you.
 
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