LA480 drops before going up

mini4mw

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I have a L2900 w La480. It has an electric 3rd valve that used to control a snow plow left/right movement. Tractor has 1,000hrs. Shes old but runs well.

My problem is when I go to raise the loader, it will drop slowly until pressure kicks in and it starts going up. When I'm holding something a few hundred pounds it will very slowly drop, maybe an inch in 2-3min. I've had all 4 cylinders rebuilt for small leaks and possibly this issue. Still happens.. so I went ahead and rebuilt the control valve on my own. The bucket is much smoother at this point (not nearly as jerky/sensitive) however the drop before going up is 1000x worse. With no load, if I go to raise the bucket slowly moving the lever, the bucket will drop like there is nothing holding pressure before pressure kicks in and it starts raising.

I didn't notice the problem before with bucket curl, but it's happening there as well. If the curl is 1/2 way and I go to curl up, the bucket uncurls fast like there is no holding pressure and then starts curling up if I move the lever far enough.

Is there a check valve somewhere? I can hear fluid movement in the control valve when the loader starts falling and after I've opened enough (pulled down on lever) I can hear the pressure build and push loader up. Two distinct sounds when the loader falls vs moving up. What would allow it to open and fall when pressure to push cylinders it not activated?

To review, when I slowly pull control lever down to raise the bucket, it will start falling fast until I move the lever enough to allow pressure through to push the loader up. It used to do this a little, but then I rebuilt the control valve and instead of dropping a little/slowly, now it's almost in free fall when when I start to raise the bucket.

Thanks for some insight!
 

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I have a L2900 w La480. It has an electric 3rd valve that used to control a snow plow left/right movement. Tractor has 1,000hrs. Shes old but runs well.

My problem is when I go to raise the loader, it will drop slowly until pressure kicks in and it starts going up. When I'm holding something a few hundred pounds it will very slowly drop, maybe an inch in 2-3min. I've had all 4 cylinders rebuilt for small leaks and possibly this issue. Still happens.. so I went ahead and rebuilt the control valve on my own. The bucket is much smoother at this point (not nearly as jerky/sensitive) however the drop before going up is 1000x worse. With no load, if I go to raise the bucket slowly moving the lever, the bucket will drop like there is nothing holding pressure before pressure kicks in and it starts raising.

I didn't notice the problem before with bucket curl, but it's happening there as well. If the curl is 1/2 way and I go to curl up, the bucket uncurls fast like there is no holding pressure and then starts curling up if I move the lever far enough.

Is there a check valve somewhere? I can hear fluid movement in the control valve when the loader starts falling and after I've opened enough (pulled down on lever) I can hear the pressure build and push loader up. Two distinct sounds when the loader falls vs moving up. What would allow it to open and fall when pressure to push cylinders it not activated?

To review, when I slowly pull control lever down to raise the bucket, it will start falling fast until I move the lever enough to allow pressure through to push the loader up. It used to do this a little, but then I rebuilt the control valve and instead of dropping a little/slowly, now it's almost in free fall when when I start to raise the bucket.

Thanks for some insight!
Could be the load checks in the valve. I'm not sure this is your valve, but the CV's are #120. The springs can be messed up if you're not careful when you reassemble it.
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mini4mw

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I bought pretty much all the rebuild kits from messicks, took the control valve off and pulled it all apart and replaced all the seals, springs, bearings, etc. I replaced the 120 and 130 above. When I put it together I laid it down so I was stacking vertically so the springs stayed in place. I took a video taking it apart, but you never have the exact pic you need. I was looking for a LA480 manual so I could verify the direction of 130, which a cylinder with one flat side. The pic of pulling apart showed it flat side pointing right - spring on top of flat part, but this makes me not so sure. Like the flat part should be inside the unit and the spring fits inside the cylinder part of it. But I replaced all the o-rings, springs, plastic seals and poppets (130) I believe they are called. Original spring tension felt fine and the original poppets were in good shape, just a few scratches around it I could feel with my finder nail.
 

mini4mw

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Ok, now looking at video, it looks like it went spring in the hole, the poppet and I did poppet then spring. These are tear down pics. That means I have it opposite order. $#&#!!

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@TheOldHokie may be able to comment on your problem. He is a very knowledgeable person who may have rebuilt a similar valve.

(I do know he has been absent but recently started posting again recently- perhaps he will see that he has been mentioned in this thread)
 

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Ok, now looking at video, it looks like it went spring in the hole, the poppet and I did poppet then spring. These are tear down pics. That means I have it opposite order. $#&#!!

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Poppet goes in with recess out. Then spring goes in the recess.
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Edit: this diagram is for a Husco 5000, which I'm not sure yours is. Is there a tag of some type of some id cast in?